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I'm taking a linguistics course right now just wrote something about the etymology of the word Neanderthal. Maybe someone here will be interested:

The word Neanderthal comes from the name of the Neander Valley in Germany, which in turn is named for a 17th century German songwriter named Joachim Neander. His surname is of Greek orgin, derived from neos (νέος, meaning "new") and andros (ἀνδρός, meaning "man"). So, Neander essentially means "new man."

In 1856, human fossils were discovered in the Neanderthal by workers at a limestone quarry. The fossils were found in a deep, undisturbed cave deposit, and were therefore assumed to be of great antiquity.

The main difference between the fossils found in Neanderthal was that the skull had notable differences with the skulls of other ancient skeletons. For an example, they featured an extremely pronounced brow ridge. This led researchers to propose that the fossils were remains not of prehistoric humans, but of a previously-unknown species of bipedal big-brained apes.

By the early 1900s, the word Neanderthal had entered popular speech, signifying a stupid, brutish person. In the popular imagination, the word neanderthal referred to subhuman cavemen who communicated through grunts.

Formerly, it was believed that Neanderthals were non-humans, and the idea that they might have interbred with ancient humans was considered heretical. In 2013, however, geneticists announced that they had proven that Neanderthals interbred with ancient humans. In other words, they were the same species.

Over the course of the past decade, announcements about new scientific discoveries have been coming at a breakneck pace.

It is perhaps worth noting that the German pronunciation is /ˈneː.andɐˌtaːl/. Formerly, the word was written as "neanderthal", with a silent th. German spelling reforms have since eliminated the silent h, meaning that the word is now spelled "neandertal".

In English, the older spelling is still preferred, and the word is commonly pronounced as /niˈændɚˌθɔl/, with the dental fricative /θ/ representing the alveolar stop /t/. This is an interesting example of how orthography can effect pronunciation.

In summary, the word neanderthal literally means "Neander Valley" when directly translated into English. Both the pronunciation and spelling of the English word are inconsistent with German. The popular conception of the word is based on an outdated misconception about the intellectual abilities of prehistoric humans.

It will be interesting to see how the meaning of the word neanderthal will evolve in the future. Now that we know that modern human are descended from neanderthals, will our language continue to exhibit anti-neanderthal prejudice?

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I note that this discussion and the cited sources only look at introgression of NEA material into AMH populations. <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/318203664_Deeply_divergent_archaic_mitochondrial_genome_provides_lower_time_boundary_for_African_gene_flow_into_Neanderthals">Posth et al. (2017)</a> show that introgression of AMH mtDNA material was demonstrated by ~100kya, no earlier than ~270kya, and the discussion of admixture should be considered from both directions to inform understanding of AMH interactions in Eurasia with NEA populations, as looking only at such samples as we have of AMH are misleading due to the paucity of source material. In addition, <a href="https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb6460">Petr et al. (2020)</a> showed that NEA Y DNA was wholly replaced by AMH material after ~370kya.

>"The phylogenetic relationships of archaic and modern human Y chromosomes differ from the population relationships inferred from the autosomal genomes and mirror mitochondrial DNA phylogenies, indicating replacement of both the mitochondrial and Y chromosomal gene pools in late Neanderthals...the young TMRCA of Neanderthal and modern human Y chromosomes and mtDNAs suggest that these loci have been replaced in Neanderthals through gene flow from an early lineage closely related to modern humans"

These papers show that long before AMH samples presently available provide sources of evidence of admixture and interactions between AMH and other human species in Eurasia, AMH have been present and interacting with other human species outside of Africa, because there is no other way for NEA mtDNA and Y DNA to have been replaced by AMH material by ~100kya, and sequencing of NEA samples show that to have occurred no later than that time. Therefore the few AMH samples we have, none of which represent the earlier presence of AMH in Eurasia, are inadequate to fully reveal interspecific interactions of AMH in Eurasia.

Conclusions are of limited value due to a lack of samples availing us glimpses of processes that were ongoing, but for which we have only few sources of evidence. Regarding presence or absence of AMH in Eurasia, and for reproductive interactions with other human species, it is necessary to consider both directions of gene flow to gain the full breadth of evidence from samples available. Indeed, while funding is availed papers that support the OoA hypothesis, evidence of gene flow suggests a long duration of interspecific interactions that could not have occurred in Africa, as NEA have never been shown to have lived in Africa, for which only limited funding is available to research.

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